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Post by Connie on Jun 25, 2008 16:26:13 GMT -5
We must have the most absurd court system in the world WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court declared Wednesday that executions are too severe a punishment for raping children, despite the "years of long anguish" for victims, in a ruling that restricts the death penalty to murder and crimes against the state. www.idahostatesman.com/aptopstories/story/424769.html
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kylene
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Post by kylene on Jun 28, 2008 13:13:15 GMT -5
It is, you are ending the life of this person, He or she should be punished, not killed. From what I see if you kill them, thats the easy way out, that child must live through life with this. But you are sitting there saying, oh you raped this child now you should die, dont go through life suffering for what you did to that child. Put them in prison and let the inmates deal with it. Most are ok if you steal, kill an adult, etc. but if you hurt a child those in prison will make you suffer, its the best punishement there is.
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Post by Connie on Jul 1, 2008 20:34:05 GMT -5
They aren't saying they are banning it to make the prisoner suffer.. they are saying it is TOO SEVERE.... what a load of bull... it is SO NOT severe...
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Post by keepitlegit8 on Jul 15, 2008 11:10:28 GMT -5
I think that's a load of bull! These scumbags are in a way killers.... rapes can kill wombs; plus they'll put bright futures in potential jeopardy, and CERTAINLY kill innocence!..... It's also been shown time and again that the sickos who commit these acts are, by and large, completely unable to be reformed..... so unless if you're talking about giving them a life sentence, they're almost certain to do so again when they get out. PLUS there's the fact that we waste 10s of $1000s on each person in prison each year (I know it's higher in bigger states like NY, TX and CA, but in the state of Delaware it's @ $24,500- see www.doc.delaware.gov/faqs.shtml ). What's the point in wasting all of that money on a person who's never going to be rehabbed and will only ruin others' lives?! Obviously being Catholic I have a hard time with this, as I SHOULD be all about the notion of letting God judge... plus with the fact that there are certainly cases where the "justice" system gets it wrong and have the wrong guy in jail/prison; but in a situation like THIS, where you KNOW you've got the wrong person, KNOW that they're VERY likely to continue on with the same behavior and ruin another innocent life, or simply have to rot in prison for the duration of their life, what's the point, when it means society has to waste all of that money to keep them going? Maybe we could just drop them all off on some island that's well patrolled and caged in..... let them fend for themselves. That way we're not doing anything wrong in taking a life, and saving the taxpayers a LOT of money... so we could ship it off to pointless wars and to rebuild countries in our image with OUR money when they happen to be LOADED with more than enough resources like oil to pay for it all themselves.... wait.... err... um.... haha jk!
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Post by foxbaron on Aug 17, 2008 14:17:34 GMT -5
The only adequate response to these type of crimes is the death of the perpetrator.
Why house and feed them? Kill them. Remove them from this earth. Let God imprison them in hell for eternity. The victim needs to know he can never come back to get them or ever hurt another human being, ever.
I'd be willing to give murderers life in prison in exchange for killing the child molesters. I can understand murder I can not understand child molesting.
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Post by kris24 on Aug 25, 2008 14:21:42 GMT -5
I agree taking a child's innocence away is scarring them for life. I say put them in a room with the parents and don't come back till they are dead. But hey even if they don't get the death penalty by the state they still are going to get the death penalty by their prison mates. I watched a prison special and the fellow prisoners say that when they find out about other prisoners killing or raping women and children they kill them. So either way they are done.
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Post by Connie on Aug 26, 2008 21:43:37 GMT -5
True Kris, and btw, I like the idea of putting them in a room with the parents for more than one reason.
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Post by tara on Aug 29, 2008 20:45:17 GMT -5
It is not severe enough, no where near extreme enough. They should get the death penalty and not in any humane way. Let me do it.
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Post by eileen on Aug 30, 2008 19:11:34 GMT -5
Our courts are so flawed in so many ways. Predators of the young and defenseless are the ultimate scum of the earth. If they could be proved guilty with checks and balance of evidence and all information maybe not admissible in court. After all that if they did that crime I want them off this earth.
I know that if I got my hands on a pervert that could hurt my granddaughter especially in that way I would kill them. And I am scared to say I would not try to kill them in any easy way.
The emotions this kind of thing engenders is why they keep the criminals out of the reach of the victims loved ones.
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Post by chelle on Nov 16, 2008 12:14:01 GMT -5
Yes, if they are put in general population they can be tortured by the inmates. BUT that is NOT as common as you think it is. Most inmates could care less anymore. They dont have a code like they used to. Too many young thugs, punks and poor me's in there.
BUT 99% of the time, this person will go to gen pop with NOONE even knowing what they did. When you are in prison, its like going to a head shrink. NOONE can see what you did to get it. Well, some can see, yes, BUT they are NOT allowed to tell. PERIOD. you can NOT be treated differntly cause of your crime. (ie, you want to work as a trustee, they can only look at your beavior since you got put in.)
and if you are a notorious rapist, molester, or killer, you are put in ad seg, (admisitrative segregation) in your own cell, never allowed out with other inmates etc. you can also prove you are in danger and be put in here, or be in a gang, or just be a general PITA. Unless there is a screw up (2 cell doors opened at once and inmates loose on the run) you are in no danger. and if that happens, everyone from the Correctional officer that opened the door to the Lt. overseeing 50 CO's and 500 inmates at a time while doing everything in triplicate Looses their job.
That is why its best to kill them all and let God sort them out. IMHO.
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Post by havingfunnow on Nov 16, 2008 15:13:16 GMT -5
Actually, the reasons why someone is in prison is pretty weill known among the populace. It takes special circumstances or crimes for someone to be automatically put into administrative segregation. It didn't help Jeffrey Dahmer. The death penalty is a hot topic, and some people and countries are set against it no matter what. But even that seems to go out the window for crimes against humanity. At what point is the line drawn? Is it OK to commit crimes against one, two, three, but not a hundred, a thousand? "One way or the other" - Blondie Anyways, that's my take on the matter... I know that if I should ever be put in prison; I will be placed in a Federal penitentiary, and never be general populace. One reason to be good I guess...
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Post by theqtpie1981 on Nov 17, 2008 11:32:06 GMT -5
I'm with all of you - I don't understand the thought process that death is too severe for child rape. What was the thought process behind the decision? What is the reasoning for why it is "too severe"? I'm with everyone who says it's not severe enough... I don't think anything is severe enough for folks who are able to commit such crimes.
Does anyone have a link to the details of this case?
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Post by havingfunnow on Nov 17, 2008 15:46:02 GMT -5
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Post by chelle on Nov 23, 2008 11:10:31 GMT -5
I rememebr when Jeffery Dahmer was killed BR was a Sgt at a Texas Prison. They had all kinds of shake ups. I wonder how many lost their jobs because of it. which is sad, but, the system is not only in place to protect society from murders and rapists and drug dealers, but to protect them from each other. you HAVE to make sure they are safe. and secure. and have a good quality of life. But like here. say you commit a child molestation in El Paso. They send you to the gib Lewis unit in woodville. its literly closer to drive to Illinios, then it is to drive from El Paso to Woodville. We dont get newspapers here that show what happened. That persons name is not known here. And you are not allowed to read their travel cards, if you are on a need to know basis and do read the travel card its like attorney client privledge. you cant say anything. Texas has hundreds of prisons, And they dont automatically send you close to home. THis is why I think that a time to kill is one of the bestest books ever written..
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