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Post by weebitty on Jul 23, 2009 10:49:48 GMT -5
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32103250/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts?GT1=43001. Gee is there anyone honest left out there??? Even Rabbis are being arrested. I just put this out there in case some of you missed it. It is breaking news It was my opinion that we should never have let Clinton off for his sex offense just because he was President. Just because we accept the fact that politicans lie?? and we know they do?? IMHO
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Post by Connie on Jul 23, 2009 21:23:05 GMT -5
This is a tough one for me. At least as far as Clinton is concerned. I DO hold priests and rabbies to a higher standing than I do our president.
I expect that everyone is honest and has great ethics and morals but while they are ALL just people. I expect that if you claim to be of the utmost highest standards religiously you SHOULD be just that. I find it disgusting that priests and rabbis and ministers claim to be religious and get paid for it but don't have high standards themselves.
When it comes to our President though. He is just a person that was elected. He never claimed or took vows to be a moral and ethical person. That was up to US to decide. If we failed.. that's our problem.
We dont' get to vote for who our Religious leaders are.... so I DO hold them to higher standards.
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Post by eileen on Jul 23, 2009 22:43:06 GMT -5
You kind of made it sound like Pres. Clinton was a sex offender. Pres. Clinton was not charged with a sex offense, but for lying about having sex. That lying under oath was a gigantic screw up but his sex life was really none of our business. But he did screw up bad.
I was born and raised in Edison, NJ and actually feel very bad about the long line of bad folks that seem to be practicing there schemes there over these last few years.
The rabbis were a shame, when 'holy' representatives become criminals it just seems to hurt their believers hardest. It is a messy thing all over the place.
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Post by crimsulent on Jul 29, 2009 10:28:47 GMT -5
Maybe I'm a tad cynical, but to me organized religion and politics are almost the same thing: necessary evils.
I don't put a lot of faith in either. Both seem equally susceptible to manipulation by unscrupulous people to advance their own agendas. Both seem to be made up of lots of well-intentioned people, but also a significant percentage of crooks. And this seems to cut across all religious denominations and party lines.
My sense is that this has been going in forever. I don't expect it to change. I'm not really sure it's any worse now that it's ever been. It might seem like it's worse b/c now we have mass media that is always hugry for shocking stories.
My guess is, human nature is pretty consistent. There have always been crooks, there will always be crooks.
Sigh.
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Post by Organized Chaos on Jul 30, 2009 16:02:40 GMT -5
Although I agree that it is up to us to vote in an ethical & moral person to an elected position, I don't agree that it's all our fault if they turn out to be immoral & unethical. As we all know, politicians are the masters of deception. What we think is a nice guy in the beginning doesn't always end up that way. If you want to be President of the United States, and are immoral & unethical, you'd better change your ways real quick. If you want to be the leader of the free world, it is your responsibility to straighten your act up. You have to be held to a higher standard. Maybe not as high as a religious figure, but still plenty darn high. Maybe slick Willy's sex life with his WIFE wasn't our business, but when the Pres. is having an extramarital affair in the White House...in the Oval Office no less...it IS our business. When Clinton did what he did, I didn't mind so much because I felt it showed he was just a man like any other. But that didn't make it any less wrong than lying about it. Maybe I'm a tad cynical, but to me organized religion and politics are almost the same thing: necessary evils. I don't put a lot of faith in either. Both seem equally susceptible to manipulation by unscrupulous people to advance their own agendas. Both seem to be made up of lots of well-intentioned people, but also a significant percentage of crooks. And this seems to cut across all religious denominations and party lines. I agree with this. However, I do feel polite society has gone greatly downhill. You don't have to look hard to see it. Rude, inconsiderate, disrespectful behavior runs rampant today. And it's only getting worse as our youth learn that there's almost no such thing as taking responsibility for their own actions.
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Post by havingfunnow on Jul 31, 2009 9:05:19 GMT -5
Ummm... There are Code of Ethics that have to be followed, but they are enforced rarely. Eileen, I have a question. "Why didn't President Clinton get prosecuted for Adultery?" For that matter, why don't other politicians, who are involved in the same scandals? It doesn't matter if their spouse refuses to press charges, because once they admit it, the State can press charges. Unlike OC, I don't think that his actions "showed he was a man just like any other". There are some men who don't commit Adultery. (mainly cuz the Spousal Unit has a hickory stick, and isn't afraid to use it! ) Seriously, I think OC's remark is sexist - because there are plenty of married women who commit Adultery - so maybe it should be changed to "showed to err is human". And the corruption in NJ is nothing new. It was common knowledge, when I lived in Hoboken and Bloomfield in the early 90s. I remember everyone being shocked that I had gone to a certain Italian restaurant in Nutley, NJ, because it was a known Mafia hangout. But I just wanted good Italian food, and knew that the food there would be good. The food was better than good, it was nummy!
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Post by Organized Chaos on Jul 31, 2009 21:20:39 GMT -5
You're right, Louis. I didn't word that properly. What I should have said was even though he was President, it still showed he was only human. If I implied that all men have committed or would commit adultery, I didn't mean it that way.
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Post by eileen on Aug 1, 2009 21:19:29 GMT -5
I think he wasn't charged with adultery at the time because his chief decryer, Newt Gingrich was actually having an affair at the same time.
I don't know about those other points, I've been married over 25 years and cheating has never been something I worry about my husband doing and I don't intend to let it happen I my part as well. The vows meant a lot to us, but that's us. We also try to keep lying to a mimumum. But lets face it, everyone lies sometimes normally about unimportant things or about Santa Clause.
I think part of the oath taken by elected officails should include a "nothing but the truth" clause.
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