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Post by Connie on Apr 21, 2009 10:23:45 GMT -5
Should they have been released? Should our government be so transparent? Do we really NEED to know?
Im glad Cheney is saying to fully release everything since these memos were released. It really isn't fair to have everyone up in arms over one part of the story and to not know the rest.
If waterboarding was used and it resulted in preventing attacks on our Country, isn't that a good thing?
Seriously, Everytime the nation went on high alert because we had "information" I always wondered where that information came from. Maybe this was it?
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Post by tara on Apr 21, 2009 11:16:57 GMT -5
If you tortured me I would probably tell you what ever you wanted to hear, true or not. I am not in favor of torture.
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Post by havingfunnow on Apr 22, 2009 23:12:50 GMT -5
If you tortured me I would probably tell you what ever you wanted to hear, true or not... That is exactly the reason that torture is not a 'reliable' means of extracting information. That being said, there are times when lengthier means are not expedient. Food for thought: At what point does National Security (meaning the safety of citizens) become irrelevant, because sworn enemies of a nation don't want to willingly divulge their plans of killing its citizens?
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Post by eileen on Apr 27, 2009 2:16:37 GMT -5
The only memos Cheney is asking for are two from before the torture was even authorized. And both memos he is requesting come from his own 'office of the vice president', files, marked detainees. More and more info is coming out all the time, the ACLU has more freedom of information requests out there than Mr.Cheney ever could want.
There is no arguing these were some really bad guys we tortured, but how much coherent information will you get from a human being that is being water-boarded an average of 6 time a day for 30 days. 158 times, I think maybe feeling like you are dying that many times in that short of period would scramble anyones brains. The FBI would not have anything to do with the torture, they were smart, there interrogation techniques came up with most of the best info anyways according to most of the reports coming out. I don't think Mr Cheney has a clue of what a monster he is.
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Post by havingfunnow on Apr 27, 2009 21:02:54 GMT -5
When I think of torture, the questioning of the Knights Templars in 1312, The Spanish Inquisition in 1478, the Holocaust, and North Vietnamese treatment of American POWs, stand out in my mind. However, there are many, many more instances throughout History, of the cruelty humans can do to one another. At the risk of being jumped on by my more liberal-minded friends, I guess I don't really consider water boarding in the same league and it doesn't bother me that it was used on terrorists.
BAH! If anyone was to hurt the Spousal Unit, then I would do my best to make them regret being brought forth into this world. Then the Lord can have em.
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Post by eileen on May 16, 2009 2:03:17 GMT -5
But why was torture used. The methods don't work for reliable, timely information. The FBI has testified to that. So has just about every other expert including John McCain.
If we used it as a method of punishment after they were actually found guilty of a charge then I would have less problem with it myself.
I always liked being the country known for being the good guys. We don't torture. It is against the laws on our books. Degrees of torture are not addressed.
No jumping here Louis. These are very bad men. So much new information is coming out almost daily now about the who, what, wheres and most importantly whys.
It is going to be very interesting to look back on this time and see who is left standing.
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