kris24
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Post by kris24 on Jun 4, 2008 11:48:56 GMT -5
I'm worried if Obama wins the presidential election we may be in some trouble. I mean seriously has anyone actually listened to his speeches? He has NO plans or strategies. All I hear come out his mouth is "Change we can believe in" but what about solutions to our countries problems? Am I the only one who is concerned about this? I am not even going to vote this year because there are no candidates I even find worth voting for that was even with Hilary attempting to run. How does everyone else feel?
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Post by chrissyinc on Jun 4, 2008 13:08:19 GMT -5
Hey Kris, I feel like you with Obama. If we can get passed the "History being made" and really look at what he is saying it is VERY SCARY! He doesn't have any plans to speak of. How is he going to help this country? What is he going to do FOR this country? Are we going to be safe? What has he done in Congress? Can he really do the job if elected? His experience is so minimal to say the least. Is he for greasing the palms of the rich like the others and what type of taxes is he going to impose? What are the "Changes we can believe in?" What about the economy? To many, way to many questions to elect a president on, but I don't think alot of people are looking at this right now. I watched the View today it really made me angry with some of the comments on it. I did like Whoopie's comments though. I really have to hold my tong or I could really get into trouble with politics! We live with so much crap in this country already!
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kris24
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Post by kris24 on Jun 4, 2008 15:26:41 GMT -5
Yeah I hear ya I have to watch myself with the politics talk too I get too upset. Absolutely history would be made but I just don't see anything whatsoever about how he is suppose to help this country out. It's all glamor talk but no point. It's actually pretty sad I don't even want to vote this election I just don't see anyone worth voting for. I mean McCain has got a lot of war experience and SOME good strategies but what scares me about Obama is that as far as politics are concerned he is still in diapers.
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Post by Connie on Jun 4, 2008 17:00:49 GMT -5
I think we better get used to it. I don't like either candidate.. obama COULD be good but like you I have yet to hear exactly what these changes are supposed to be. I don't like Mccain... so what to do? I really think Obama is going to win and there are a lot of things scary about that. I want to know more.
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Post by Connie on Jun 4, 2008 17:16:15 GMT -5
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Post by chelle on Jun 5, 2008 21:05:21 GMT -5
I am scared to freakin death. Did you see how happy kenya was cause he won the nomination?? that cant bode well.
And yes, he has already said many times he WILL raise taxes. So get ready.
and remember, its the democrats that will NOT let us drill for more oil. You can rest assured, it will steady climb if he gets in.
I fiqure the best we can hope for is the bottom to drop out and it to plummet cause they get mad if a replublican wins.. LOL
But truthfully, I am scared. I am VERY scared. I dotn like mccain, but I despise obama.
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Post by cyndy on Jun 12, 2008 12:22:03 GMT -5
Why on earth would you be scared of Obama because Kenya is happy he's the nominee? His father was from Kenya. Why should their being proud of that fact translate into him being scary? Our economy is in the dumpster, worse than at any time in the history of our country. Did we get here by this Republican administration being fiscally sound? They cut taxes for the top 1-2%. I don't know about others, but I certainly don't fall into that category. I find the thought of McCain being elected, which would in essence be four more years of Bush, a much scarier proposition. He has no interest in getting out of Iraq any time soon and has stated so repeatedly. He has also admitted he "isn't very good at economics" (again, a direct quote). Our country is in the worst shape it has been in history, both domestically and abroad. Every aspect of our lives is being impacted by the terrible economy, of which a major cause is the cost of this "war". Maybe some people have lots of extra disposable income and this economy isn't impacting them in which case I say, I am envious of them. :-) Keep in mind that the next administration will likely seat one or two supreme court judges. Do you want to strip women of their right to choose? That's exactly what will happen if the Right Wing is in charge. I will be voting for Obama this year and proud of it. :-) Cyndy I am scared to freakin death. Did you see how happy kenya was cause he won the nomination?? that cant bode well. And yes, he has already said many times he WILL raise taxes. So get ready. and remember, its the democrats that will NOT let us drill for more oil. You can rest assured, it will steady climb if he gets in. I fiqure the best we can hope for is the bottom to drop out and it to plummet cause they get mad if a replublican wins.. LOL But truthfully, I am scared. I am VERY scared. I dotn like mccain, but I despise obama.
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Post by hswhite on Jun 12, 2008 22:26:24 GMT -5
Great post Cyndy! I will admit that I am not a huge supporter of either candidate but these are the two that we have to choose from so we need to make the best of it. We all need to make educated decisions on who we are going to vote for based on facts not fears, rumors or misleading information. Thanks Connie for providing the website above to help us do that. In my personal opinion, the current administration has made quite a mess of things with the economy and our country's reputation abroad and I don't really think that I want to see status quo for another four years. It just hasn't gotten us anywhere. But we all have the right to vote for who we believe is the best candidate, that's what makes America great. I will admit that I do not follow one party line, I focus on the specific candidate more than the particular party he/she represents. When I go to vote I ask myself the question, "is my life and standard of living better than it was four years ago? If not than it may be time for a change. Maybe a new perspective is what the country needs right now. I think a major deterent to the economy turning around is the lack of confidence that the American people have in the current administration. If we were all confident in the administration's ability to sustain a strong economy we would still be spending money. However, we are scared that things are going to continue to get worse so instead of spending to stimulate the economy we have stopped spending altogther. Whoever you vote for, make sure that you cast your vote based on facts about what both candidates stand for and which candidate most closely mirrors your views and beliefs. At this point however, I don't think that either candidate has provided any real insite into their plans if elected. Hopefully they will both do a better job of outlining their specific plans on how they are going to get us out of the current mess that this country is in.
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kris24
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Post by kris24 on Jun 18, 2008 10:50:22 GMT -5
There is a problem with Obama wanting to bring the troops home. It's quite simple really just because he would be president does not mean he alone has the power to bring the troops home. He still has to get approval from everyone else and I just don't see that happening that's the big picture. Yeah it would be great if the war was over then I wouldn't have to worry about my husband going back to Iraq for a second tour but I just don't see that happening and neither does my husband. And my stance is I can't stand McCain or Obama so everyone else can have a go at the voting poll I am just going to sit back and watch because I am not voting at all.
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Post by Organized Chaos on Jun 19, 2008 22:18:49 GMT -5
Cyndy, no offense but you sound like a broken left wing record. Complaining about the tax cuts for the rich, McCain is nothing more than 4 more years of Bush, etc. Do you watch MSNBC alot? Keep in mind, Keith Olbermann was a sportscaster before he thought he could be a political talkshow host...he should've stuck with sports.
The idea behind tax cuts to the rich has to do with "trickle down economics". The theory that giving more money to the rich causes them to pump more money into the economy which produce more goods at lower prices, trickling down to benefit the lower classes. JFK spoke of it. It worked under Reagan & also during Bush's first term.
To say today's economy is the worst in history thanks to Republicans & this administration is liberal rhetoric. Worst in history? One thought, the Great Depression.
Maybe someone shouldn't be scared that Kenya is happy of Obama's nomination. But what about the fact that he's willing to sit down with terrorist leaders? Radical muslims want to wipe the Jews off the face of the planet. They deny the holocaust even happened. Hmm kill all Jews, does that sound familiar? Do the names Hitler & Nazi ring a bell? Do you think FDR or Truman would've sat down with Hitler to talk things out? Obama thinks he can reason with terrorists...good luck with that.
Pulling out of Iraq...what does that show our enemies? I'll tell you what they think...they think, hey all we need to do is put up a little fight, kill some Americans and their own politicians will force them to leave. Leave war to the experts (our military) NOT politicians. I support the war. Being former military I'm the type of guy who doesn't mind the good ole USA kickin some butt when necessary. I agree that it's much more screwed up than we ever imagined. But I also think alot of the trouble comes from our politicians fighting this war & not letting the military do its job.
When asked I tell people the truth, I'm Independant. I have a brain, it works, and I don't need to follow someone blindly like sheep simply because they have a little "D" or "R" behind their name. The Democrats you see mostly in the spotlight today aren't much Democrats at all...they're far left liberals. I suppose I can be viewed as leaning right. I like what alot of Conservative talk radio & TV show hosts have to say. Most of them can stay pretty grounded. Liberals just get on the air and spew hatred & venom. That leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. They know nothing more than to blame all our troubles on Bush, his administration, & the Republicans. Well how much change has a Democrat Congress brought about? Obama's running on false promises & false hope. He runs on stage & talks about change & hope...that's all he has, and he hopes your dumb enough to fall for it.
In the end all politicians are crooked, can't be trusted, and should all be voted off of their high horses. Get people in there who care about the country & not special interest groups & big corporations. That's why I liked Bush in the beginning...he stood for what he believed in and he didn't care how many people were against him. He didn't let politics get in the way. But he's not the same President he was, I'll agree to that.
Phew!! Sorry everyone. Once I got going I couldn't stop.
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Post by eileen on Jun 25, 2008 14:54:04 GMT -5
Reply to Choas: Cyndy, no offense but you sound like a broken left wing record. Complaining about the tax cuts for the rich, McCain is nothing more than 4 more years of Bush, etc. Do you watch MSNBC alot? Keep in mind, Keith Olbermann was a sportscaster before he thought he could be a political talkshow host...he should've stuck with sports.
Again no offense but left or right the last 7 years has seen the detereation of separation of powers and attacks on our very Constitution.
**Trickle down" economics was called 'Voodoo Economics" by the first President Bush. It is a flawed proposition not even given the credence of the term theory by the majority of the economic community. It supposes the top layer cares about those below. If there is not a profit motive to care it is not practiced. JFK mostly talked about the lower class as needing help and it was about time the government did something about it. It never worked. Children under Reagan and Bush #1 became the fastest growing sector of poverty. Not to mention taxes pay for our soldiers, they are not payed well. Are you against paying them.
**Everyone sits down with terrorist when it suits them. The US is doing it with North Korea, we did it with Libya. Our puppet government in Iraq is doing it now with Iran. Israel is pragmatic enough to know they will do it whenever it makes sense to their security. We have alot of home grown 'Radical" who deny all those things too, what is scary is that they id themselves as Christians. *As for Iraq, we were lied to. It's that simple. Bush should be impeached. By the way, our military is set up to take orders from CIVILIANS, it is how we safeguard against military coos. As an ex you should know that.
**Kicken Butt,as you call it, sounds good. Watching your daughter cry as her husband comes home in a box. Try watching your child come back dead because overpaid government contractors can't wire a shower correctly and ends up electrocuting himself. The civilian contractors are about the only winners in this war. By the way, do you know our new embassy in Iraq is being built by a company that practices endencure servitude (I'm being polite, its slavery) It is over budget and grossly off schedule. The US keeps sending the checks though.
**I actually believe in the two party system pretty much but vote the other party when they have the best candidate. Defaming the so called left liberals as spewer of hate and venom kind of shows you off as bit of a spewer yourself don't you think.
**All politicians are not crooked, if people actually took the time to check into their local politics and voted; most of the bad ones would be gone in one election cycle.
**I was in Texas when Bush 2 rode in and smeared Ann Richards every way he could get away with. He was as bad a Governor as he is a President.
**Democracy is hard, it demands participation. If we get it wrong, we can change it every couple of years.
**Obama was not my first choice, but McCain is not the answer, until last February I lived in Arizona, so I am familiar with him. I got on a rant also, but I thought you needed to hear from one of us spewing liberals. We have brains too. So I had to shoot you a quick reply. Most of this can be checked out on Factcheck.org. or PBS.com
I do agree, Olberman is a bit much, but very entertaining, not as funny as O'Riely but close. PBS is the way to go with Face the Nation on Sundays.
Eileen Please vote
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Post by Organized Chaos on Jun 25, 2008 19:23:37 GMT -5
I sure don't need you to tell me soldiers are under payed because I knew that first hand. I also know that, as a soldier, I payed more income tax than I ever had before then & possibly since then. So being in a sector payed by taxes, we soldiers contributed a large portion of our pay to (in a sense) paying ourselves. Typical rhetoric (liberal or conservative) to try to turn it into me saying I'm against paying them.
I don't believe the Govt. should run to bail out everyone who gets in trouble. Problem with today's society is that they've grown to assume they deserve a free govt. handout. Obama can preach all he wants that he's going to help the middle & lower class, it's nothing more than pandering.
I understand that America has sat down with its enemies many times in our history. The Taliban, Sadaam, the list goes on...all in the best interest of our country (so they said). But the fact of the matter still remains that Obama agrees to sit down in an attempt to speak rationally with irrational people.
"As for Iraq, we were lied to"....blah blah WMD's, Bush lied...same ole crap. The intelligence was wrong...to an extent. The WMD's were there...how do we know? Because we supplied Sadaam with them. Intelligence under Bush said it, intelligence under Clinton said it, intelligence throughout the whole world said it & knew it. The President of the United States relies heavily on the information provided to him by the experts. Bush did not say, "I went to Iraq & saw the WMD's myself." Sadaam deserved to be removed.
I do look into my local politics. I live in a small rural town of 1800 people. Politics (the evil side of it I mean) has no place here but it has reared its ugly head for decades. Politicians can't help but to be crooked. In the end, a big majority of them care more about being reelected than doing good for the people they represent.
Saying that so many of the far left wing politicians I've seen/heard spew nothing but hatred & venom far from makes me the same. They speak half truths & lies to get their agenda across to anyone who'll believe them. Does that mean the Conservative side doesn't have similar people there? No, not at all. But I clearly said the ones I listen to tend to be more grounded. They're more level headed & that's why I listen.
PBS, like so many other mainstream media outlets, is liberally biased. By far not the best source of political info you can get. In the end, a person needs to take it in from several different sources and come to their own conclusions.
I'm going to cut myself free from this particular convo because nothing good will come of it. Each side believes what it does and will rarely ever see it any other way.
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Post by eileen on Jun 26, 2008 3:23:22 GMT -5
Chaos, Didn't mean to get you hot. Discourse is always a good thing. You know the old saying, 'I disagree with what you say but will fight to the death to protect your right to say it' (A real good liberal idea) I'm an ex Air Force A-10 crew chief, my dad was WWII army, my daughter and son in law are Army, he is in Iraq. My nephew, USAF, just left Afghanistan. I get it.
I am glad you vote, it makes it obligatory for me to at least consider your opinions that I so disagree with.
Be well Choas Eileen
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Post by mandigirl on Aug 15, 2008 14:02:57 GMT -5
The only "bad" thing about mc cain is the whole troop thing. My concern about obama is: Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.This to me is a BIG issue. My DH being from South Africa (also a 3rd world country mind you)and having to do everything legally before he became a citizen (jan. 08) is crazy to me!!! This really hits home for me. I understand that the way of life is hard for them, but my husband understands it even better. He had to pay for his visitors visa and a 2 way plane ticket ($1400.00). By the time he changed currencies he had very little money. He didn't become a stow away on a bout and get here illegally! He also speaks english. I think if our childrenhave to learn spanish in school then what about all the other languages here too...what makes them special? What about japanese or chinese don't forget about afrikannse........ Any opinions on this?
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Post by weebitty on Oct 17, 2008 14:42:22 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you saw this article but I thought I would throw it in here just for information. In my opinion Obama is for more government and more taxes. We don't need that but the people want to be taken care of by the government and democrates are into entitlements. Congress which is democratic has had two years to do something and they haven't done anything either so whether you are republican or democrate it is a mute point. Congress has done nothing for us period. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/ anyway that is my two cents on the subject. I am not a big Mc Cain fan either. I would vote for Ron paul if he was running.
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