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Post by Connie on Mar 28, 2008 19:20:52 GMT -5
I agree with all of this except the "village to raise a child" part.. I DO believe it takes a Village to raise a child. We SHOULD be watching out for each others kids, we do need teachers and civic leaders who care what is happening to our children and who are there for them.
YES, I'M A BAD AMERICAN
I Am the Liberal-Progressives Worst Nightmare. I am an American.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some Liberal governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican!
I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!
I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American.
I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.
I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, do it in English.
I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.
My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and whoever canceled Jerry Springer.
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.
I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.
I've never owned a slave, or was a slave, I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.
I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your own country! This is AMERICA.
If you were born here and don't like it you are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you.
I want to know which church is it exactly where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution. Can I get an AMEN on that one?
I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry rear if you're running from them..
I also think they have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my drivers license. I think it's good..... And I'm proud that "God" is written on my money.
I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.
I dislike those people standing in the intersections trying to sell me stuff or trying to guilt me into making "donations" to their cause.
I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.
I believe "illegal" is illegal no matter what the lawyers think.
I believe the American flag should be the only one allowed in AMERICA!
If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.
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Post by Raynette on Apr 3, 2008 18:55:56 GMT -5
Amen to everything you said. I totally agree, so I guess I am a Bad American too.
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Post by Becca on Apr 3, 2008 23:59:32 GMT -5
Is it bad if I don't agree with everything on there? eek
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Post by Connie on Apr 4, 2008 14:28:12 GMT -5
Nope Becca.. thats the beauty of our Country... we are all still allowed to have our own opinions and ideals and free to express them..
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Post by Becca on Apr 4, 2008 15:28:00 GMT -5
Now that I'm more awake I will give some examples.
I am not convinced people should be allowed to pray when and where they want to. For example, prayer does not belong at schools.
The only other one I disagree with is the American flag one. Being Jewish, I know a ton of people who have the Israeli flag.
I think I agreed with everything else for the most part.
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Post by americanangel on Apr 4, 2008 15:42:49 GMT -5
I'm a "bad" American, too. And PROUD of it!!!! And Becca, prayer DOES belong at school. In America we have freedom OF religion NOT freedom FROM religion. We also have freedom of expression, which includes the expression known as prayer. The only problem you'd have with prayer at school is if it was required for the students to do it. But as long as prayer is the free will expression of an individual it's as appropriate in school as it is anywhere else outside of church.
And as for the flag "problem", I think the point of the original post is that the American flag should be the only flag we give our ALLEGIANCE to. Of course Jews, and other Americans who support Israel, are free to have and even display the Israeli flag. They just must not forget where their national loyalty lies.
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Post by Becca on Apr 5, 2008 2:11:16 GMT -5
Prayer in school leads to kids feeling all kinds of negative things. So while it is good for some kids, I'm not sure the pros outweigh the cons. Some people pray to Jesus, God, Allah, Buddha, etc. There isn't really prayer that doesn't exclude some group of people so it is easier not to have it at all.
If a Jewish Club, Christian Club, etc want to meet at lunch and pray, by all means go ahead. But doing it during class where some people aren't comfortable with it doesn't seem right.
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Post by audrey on Apr 5, 2008 11:17:10 GMT -5
So...I have to say that I do not agree with everything either.
While I think that the government does not always use our money wisely, I believe some taxes are necessary to help pay for schools, roads and yes even our courtrooms.
While I believe in freedom of prayer I also believe prayer in schools and other public places is not the right setting. I believe each person has the right to attend a church of his/her choice and I believe each person has the right to pray as they wish in their home. When I go to school, I want to learn, reading, writing and arithmatic. As a free country we have many many schools that are religious in nature. This is fine. We have the right to have these schools. When you tell me a school is open to all, equal to all and then prayer is exclusive to one religion only, that is no longer fair.
I once met with the school board over this topic. I suggested that if the school wished to have prayer from 8am to 10am they should notify families and then allow families to make a choice if their child came to participate.
Sheesh, if the school mentions sex, I, the parent may choose for my child to attend or not attend, but if religion is practiced, I no longer have rights as a parent? Sorry, that's not right.
Without knowing why someone is running from the cops, to make a statement it's ok to shoot em...sorry I can't agree.
As for flags....our American flag is flown in many countries at our embassy's. To disallow other flags would not be right or fair.
I do agree with being proud to be american, but I can't agree with each individual point above.
My two cents.
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Post by americanangel on Apr 7, 2008 21:40:02 GMT -5
Hi Audrey! First, the flag issue. You say that since the American flag is flown over our embassies in other countries it wouldn't be right or fair to disallow other flags here. You're missing a very important point, A. Our embassies abroad are considered American soil, part of our country (it's the same with other nations' embassies here), therefore flying the American flag over an American embassy is perfectly appropriate and is not the same as an immigrant continuing to give loyalty to his native land and showing it by displaying that country's flag here.
Now to the religion question. Audrey, there is NOTHING in the Constitution limiting freedom of religion to the church and the home. You seem to think that that is, or should be, the case. I assure you it is not; if it were then religious freedom in America would be as meaningful as it was in the former Soviet Union and other anti-religious Marxist countries. You say that you attend school to learn reading, writing, and arithmetic. How does prayer interfere with that? If a student says a prayer before taking a test, how are the other students adversely affected? It seems to me that you have a problem with religious freedom.
Or maybe you just don't understand that "prayer in school" does NOT mean a teacher leading her students in a required, specifically Christian prayer every school day. Most of the people who rant and rave against school prayer seem to be fixated on that image. They are unable to grasp the fact that kids actually can and do pray on their own. Rather, they fervently believe that if there's any praying going on in a public school students are somehow being compelled to do it. Are you in this camp? I sure hope not!
One more thing. While I don't want Christianity or any other faith to be enforced in public schools I do believe that public schools have a duty to teach children the truth about America's Christian heritage. As hard as it is for today's secularists to acknowledge and accept, America was founded by Christians and Biblical teachings greatly influenced the colonists', including the Founding Fathers', political philosophy. Indeed, so many pastors were committed to the cause of independence that the son of British PM Sir Robert Walpole exclaimed, "Cousin America has run off with a Presbyterian parson." So, Christianity had a profound and abiding role in the making of America. To teach the history of our nation without mentioning Christianity would be like teaching the history of India without mentioning Hinduism. It would be a big, fat LIE! But other than teaching historical truth, Christianity shouldn't be promoted in public schools. On the other hand, to censor our Christian heritage in the name of the establishment clause, political correctness, multiculturalism, or diversity is an assault on our very identity as a people and that's abominable.
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Post by audrey on Apr 8, 2008 19:40:36 GMT -5
1. The flag issue...ok...we agree. I understood the original post to say "no other flags" 2. Religion in schools...why? ?? If a child says a silent prayer before a test..so what??? No one prayed more than me when it came to tests. Once it becomes a part of the routine, like circle time, it's no longer a personal choice. Public schools should be comfortable for all. If you believe prayer should be a part of your childs school day, then I believe the public school is not the right choice for you/your child. Both of my children attended religious school/Sunday school from kindergarten through confirmation. I had no expectation nor desire for them to learn religion in the public school. And believe me, both of my daughter have prayed for more than tests LOL. 3. Teachers being able to teach without personal opinion is darn near impossible. This has been proven over and over at the elementary school, the high school and even at the college level. My daughter took a college history course and the teacher just couldn't teach without adding his own personal christian beliefs. Sorry...this is not unbiased or "truthful". This is one persons opinion. I'm not sure we are as far apart on the religion issue as our posts might indicate.
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Post by Becca on Apr 9, 2008 1:03:45 GMT -5
I have to say more LOL
I have no problem with Christianity being taught about in schools....as long as Buddhism, Judaism, Mormonism, etc are taught also. Many schools do a lesson on religions and kids enjoy the learning.
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Post by audrey on Apr 9, 2008 9:01:32 GMT -5
My own personal experience with public schools is that this just doesn't happen. When I lived in Los Angeles, "winter holidays" were taught. An equal amount of time was given to all winter holidays.
When we moved outside of Los Angeles, 3 weeks were given to Christmas and 5 minute segments were given to some of the other holidays.
This is not balanced. But this is what I suggested above....a teacher almost never can teach without their own personal beliefs interfering when it comes to the subject of religion.
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Post by kris24 on May 24, 2008 13:20:56 GMT -5
I believe if you want your child to be taught religion in school well send them to a religious school that's why they are around. It should not be taught in public school HOWEVER they should not go back on example the pledge of allegiance and change the words because "One nation under god" because then at that point you are trying to change what our forefathers did. And people just don't look at the fact that when the say "One nation under god" it leaves it broad every religion except for those who don't believe in ANY god. But for the most part I suppose I am a Bad American and proud of it.
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Post by dasmith81 on Oct 29, 2008 12:35:29 GMT -5
Kudos to being a bad American, Connie. Coming from a Conservative, Christian, Military family, I've lived in other countries and seen their socialist ways. I, personally, am scared to death. In Germany, ( I lived there for 4 years) they no longer teach about Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust in the schools. Here in our own country, Civics classes are being abolished. Right here in the area that I live in (approx. 30 miles from Gettysburg, PA), some maniac of a professor is lobbying to have the Civil War abolished from the curriculum and the Democratic Governer is actually listening...History proves if you push things under the rug and act as tho it never happened...it will happen again...
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Post by eileen on Oct 30, 2008 3:03:11 GMT -5
I'm a good American today. I early voted today. I brought my 19 year old son with me. It was his first time. I was really proud of him. He was going crazy trying to research this and that; arguing points and issues he had. He really took it seriously. Mommy Proud Moment. ;D
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