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Post by Connie on Apr 24, 2008 15:29:54 GMT -5
Chelle what if the crime they didn't get caught for was minor? Should they still get the death penalty?
I am for the death penalty as long as we are 100% CERTAIN they committed the crime and then I also believe in an eye for an eye... I wouldn't feel bad at all if these people were killed and raped in the same manner they inflicted.
We have seen a lot of convicts released because they were wrongfully convicted and I hope to God that we don't some day find out that the things we believe about dna are wrong.
The people I have no qualms seeing get it are the ones who confess, the ones who are caught red handed etc... for instance I don't even have a clue why this Duncan guy (groene murders) even gets a trial? Whats the point and if anyone deserves the death penalty it's him.
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Post by chelle on Apr 24, 2008 16:41:52 GMT -5
So we are voting for the NKOTB to get the death sentence? HAHA... I know I haven't been in this section lately.. I will see what I can do to liven it up today. Is this a vote?? I vote yes.
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Post by Becca on Apr 24, 2008 19:15:17 GMT -5
Confessions can be coerced so even those are tricky.
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Post by chelle on Apr 24, 2008 21:11:08 GMT -5
Sorry connie, didnt see this before I left. I think to enforce the death penelty you need to have exhausted all avenues to make sure that yes they DID do it. and ones that admit it. fry 'em. I am talking about the guy that was in prison for 20 years for rape. at a crack house. He says on national TV. "I was at the crack house, and I was guilty of some things, but I hneslty didnt rape that girl" no, but he robbed and was a drug head. whats the differnce? 20 for one or 20 for the other? BUT since he was convicted of the wrong crime he is gona get a few million. In the grand scheme of things, he was still a criminal. Thats what I was meaning. Now should he get the death pen. for robbin? or rapin? no, and yes. I dont belive you should have to comit CAPITAL murder to get the DP. And in Texas I can walk up to you and kill you, but if I didnt commit ANY other crimes in the act of killing you (rape, kidnapping, robbery, etc) then I cant get the DP. its NOT capital murder. did I explain better this time?
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Post by Becca on Apr 25, 2008 1:05:13 GMT -5
If you commit murder, you should be eligible to DIE. The conditions of the murder shouldn't matter.
Notice I didn't say kill or manslaughter or any of those words.
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Post by Connie on Apr 25, 2008 19:39:46 GMT -5
You did explain it better Chelle.
I watched a show today (while I was being lazy) on how overcrowded our prisons are. I don't see how we can fix the overcrowding without enforcing the death penalty. As (I think it was Chelle) said earlier.. If we went back to public lynchings it might send a message. We currently have the death penalty but it is rarely carried out.
I believe I remember one time hearing one guy on death row saying if he ever got out he would do it again.. why was he sitting on death row instead of death being carried out?
Since I have lived here we have carried out the death sentence twice. Both time there was a lot of news coverage and I remember one that I just wasn't convinced he had indeed committed the crime.. THAT bothered me.. But if it is shown as an actuality (not a beyond a reasonable doubt) then I have no problem.
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Post by audrey on Apr 26, 2008 20:44:05 GMT -5
So...how do we know with 100% certainity that they are guilty?
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Post by Connie on Apr 28, 2008 16:55:35 GMT -5
So...how do we know with 100% certainity that they are guilty? Lots of examples.. remember the pedophile who kept a diary of the hundreds and hundreds of kids with details? How about duncan? We know he did it, Shasta can tell us so and in horrific detail. There have been some that were videotaped.. it's endless..
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Post by chelle on May 16, 2008 13:16:33 GMT -5
who is shasta? duncan?
There are a thousand ways to know they did it. I live in Texas (whoo-hoo!!!) and we are the leaders in carrying out the DP. but we are still overcrowded.
I also belive that for sexual crimes ( 'specially pedofiles) you shuld be casterated. then let live long enough to heal. THEN HUNG. after the towns people get to throw tomatoes and rocks at you. and I am not kidding. I dont belive they can be 'fixed' or helped, or there is a safe place for them. (safe for you, not them)
If none of you have ever read John Grishams book about this situation, (the name escapes me... ) then you should. or just watch the movie. in real life, those 2 would get MAYBE 20 years. MAYBE. and then they would be out. to do it to your kids.
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Post by Connie on May 19, 2008 13:56:27 GMT -5
Shasta Groene and Joseph Duncan. It was headline news everywhere I believe. Shasta and her Brother came up missing and the mom and family were found murdered. Joseph had the kids and killed the brother in front of shasta, abused them both terribly and shasta was finally spotted by a waitress who was smart enough to keep them there and call the police.
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Post by chelle on Jun 8, 2008 10:02:19 GMT -5
YOur right, I do remember tat.
and I think he was the PRIME example of just taking him out and lynching him right in the street.
IT would have saved millions of dollars and lots of time.
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Post by Connie on Jun 10, 2008 10:55:09 GMT -5
That's what I mean by clear cut. There is NO doubt about his guilt yet the trial to see if he gets the death penalty or not has been delayed over and over.. the jury was picked and then he decided to defend himself.. so of course the judge has to call for a phsych evaluation... well duh if he was in his right mind none of this would have ever happened. If he wants to defend himself.. so be it.. have him sign something saying.. no appeals if you lose.. it shouldn't be such a long drawn out and expensive affair.
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Post by eileen on Jun 18, 2008 14:05:17 GMT -5
I'll reply, people might not like what i have to say, but hear goes I believe that they have what they got coming to them I believe that we should do the same thing to them that they did to that person. If they tortured the victim we should do it to them exactly the same way they did. I believe in the death penalty. I don't think people who do murders and massacres should be allowed to stay in prison all their life while my tax dollars goes to feed, clothe, pay their medical and dental and lets not forget their schooling if they want it. Their should be more consequences for what they do besides prison maybe if we automatically did the death penalty people might think about some of the things they do before they do them I have heard and seen from criminals that they don't care if they go to prison it's no big deal. Please don't write me saying well what about people killing for self defense etc. that is a total different issue. I am talking about people who do senseless or tortured murders. And last if anyone was to torture and kill one of my kids I would definitely be put in prison because I would and will kill that person someway, somehow because putting them in prison for life or even the death penalty, would not be justice for me. Be careful what you wish for. It is not that I am against the death penalty just how it is administered, the system protects those with money or the social exception to get a great pro-bono lawyer looking for a good news cycle. The U.S. in-prisons more of its own population than any other country in the world. (fact check .org) We have to find a better way to deal with non violent criminals and youth crime to relive the jail system, so those that really NEED to be locked up for the 'public safety are', and those that should be sent from this world permanently, the true predators, should be dealt with in a legally equal way with safeguards along the way. Eileen
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Post by foxbaron on Sept 13, 2008 15:38:14 GMT -5
How about a compromise?
We start out with a "Death Row" day on a national scale. We take all the people on death row and kill them at the same time on the same day and throw their bodies in an unmarked grave somewhere in the desert.
Then we take all the other violent criminals that we are afraid to put to death and we amputate their legs, put them in wheelchairs and roll their butts out the front door of the prison into the flow of traffic on the L.A. Freeway and see how many survive. Those that survive can have their freedom.
The only exception is rapists and child molesters. WE make them live in the judge's home for a month or two and have access to their wives, daughters and children and then we take them to the public square and cut off their offending parts and set them on fire.
We then would have no more overcrowding in the prisons.
The non-violent ones we put in chain gangs and make them earn their food and housing.
Just a thought.
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