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Post by havingfunnow on Apr 3, 2009 20:26:09 GMT -5
With the recent hostage taking/killings in Binghamton NY, there is once again going to be a hoop-de-la raised about gun control. So I am starting this thread for your2cents (once again, not the survey company) on the issue. Do you believe that all guns should be outlawed Do you believe when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns Do you believe something in-between, like OC ( who believes in the right to bare arms and other parts of the anatomy )
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Post by tara on Apr 3, 2009 21:25:46 GMT -5
I hate guns. I love guns. I most certainly hate the NRA, they are right up their with PETA. I was indifferent to them but my Vonage call log shows 43 calls from them since September despite many requests to be removed. I had one girl almost crying after reading me the the spiel about the evil politicians in NY.... I told her Hillary was my aunt. I wish I recorded that call, I can still smile just thinking about it. It was priceless. I say the harassment from them has marred my view on the topic.
I grew up with guns, I was shooting as soon as I was walking. They are my parent's livelihood. I worked for major gun manufacturer (I'm in CNY you figure it out), so at one point they were my livelihood as well. I have guns. I do not think ALL guns should be outlawed. I do think that a lot of people are too stupid and irresponsible to own guns. I have guns here, but I would most likely not allow my children to go to someone else's home that does unless I knew them VERY VERY well. People are stupid.
I'm more concerned with someone trying to take away my 'viscous' dogs.
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Post by crimsulent on Apr 4, 2009 16:42:59 GMT -5
sad news from NY
in traffic the other day i noticed the car in front of me had a license plate holder that said "Keep Honking, I'm Reloading"
cracked me up!
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Post by Organized Chaos on Apr 4, 2009 21:43:56 GMT -5
Didn't notice this thread and asked the same thing this morning.
Short but sweet...you can't take the guns out of the hands of the good, honest citizens or inflict such strict control on them such that they can't defend themselves. If you do then all we're left with is a world full of criminals who still have all their guns.
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Post by chelle on Apr 13, 2009 9:09:55 GMT -5
I am pretty much not getting into this discussion. I dont have time, I am supposed to be working to find a caterer for the NRA banquet we are having May 2. ANyone want to buy some raffle tickets- one ticket is a chance to win one of 5 guns!! ? One of the guns is worth over 700.00 by itsself
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Post by crimsulent on Apr 16, 2009 13:58:46 GMT -5
I know this seems sort of counter-intuitive, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that gun manufacturers are super happy to have Mr. Obama in the White House.
Fear that some sort of gun control is coming is driving sales through the roof. Whether it's a rational fear or not is sort of beside the point. The result is big profits for the gun industry.
Personally, I sort of doubt things are going to change much. No matter what laws they pass they're not getting my guns, period.
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Post by eileen on Apr 17, 2009 1:03:56 GMT -5
Since Louis asked, (by the way, where is he?)
Generally, I know, the USA has a very strong gun culture. I don't think guns should be outlawed.
I do believe in responsible gun ownership. You should be licensed, pass some sort of test for knowledge of gun ownership and use. I also believe that if any bad happens with one of your guns you should be held responsible for any and all damages caused by it.
I myself don't want guns anywhere in my house. What I could lose from an accident far out weighs any so called protection it would give me. I owned guns before I had kids but got rid of them when I had my first and never replaced them. I do believe in the right of citizens to own guns. I also do see cases were they would be a great help in protecting ones' self. It is a personal choice. There has to be controls on them though, Tombstone outlawed guns for a reason back in the day.
chelle, hope you have a nice banquet, I really do, honest.
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Post by Organized Chaos on Apr 17, 2009 11:00:42 GMT -5
I also believe that if any bad happens with one of your guns you should be held responsible for any and all damages caused by it. A law-abiding citizen owns a gun. That person has a permit, the gun is registered, the whole 9 yards. Their house is broken into and the thief manages to steal the gun. The owner immediately reports the theft of the gun. The thief then goes out and kills someone with that gun. Eileen, are you saying the owner is responsible? Or do you mean when the owner is actually in possession of the gun?
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Post by tara on Apr 17, 2009 14:44:40 GMT -5
Recently here a nine year old got his dads (legal) gun and shot another kid with it. I firmly believe the father should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If he was responsible for it and kept it away from his obviously unsupervised child... the other kid would still be alive. I think there is a big difference between being robbed and being irresponsible. I think if you took proper precautions and someone broke in and stole it... and it was actually reported as stolen then no, otherwise I agree with Eileen. The 'oh I left it in the night table and my kids friend grabbed it so it wasn't my fault' excuse doesn't fly with me.
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Post by eileen on Apr 17, 2009 21:28:50 GMT -5
OC if you really didn't know what I mean, oh forget it. Tara got it.
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Post by Organized Chaos on Apr 19, 2009 11:54:54 GMT -5
Tara, I agree. A child getting a hold of a parent's gun that wasn't properly & responsibly stored falls in the hands of the parent. But along those lines, I think it does depend on the age of the child. If he/she is seriously old enough to know the dangers and understand it's not a toy, then they need to share SOME of the blame.
Eileen, no I really didn't know what you meant, that's exactly why I asked. And that's why I provided a specific scenario because there are bad things that CAN happen with someone's gun in which they shouldn't be held responsible.
Let me apologize to Connie up front for this next bit because I'm not trying to start trouble, but I feel like I need to say something.
Eileen, if someone doesn't understand what you mean, try clarifying. Instead, because of some animosity between us, you try to attack, insult & take cheap shots at me. Yes we butt heads when it comes to politics, but a few others have said similar things as I have and have spoke out against liberals, but your replies to them are noticeably different. There are other opinions (from other members) here that you disagree with, but I'm the only one who has to put up with your less than desirable demeanor and frankly it's getting old.
I love a good debate, have always had a tough skin, and don't worry or care about what others think of me, but when it starts to lessen the experience of being here, it's time for me to rethink things. I am glad I found this forum, have been accepted here and had the chance to meet such good people.
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Post by havingfunnow on Apr 19, 2009 12:44:03 GMT -5
It's so nice to be missed! But on the flip side, it means I was being aimed at. Now for my opinion, or the rest of the story... When people aren't allowed to defend themselves, we see killing sprees like the one that happened in a Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas in 1991. George Hennard killed 23 people before he turned his weapon on himself. There was a woman, who had to watch her parents die, that had left a gun in her car because it was illegal to bring it into the restaurant with her. This woman, Susanna Gratia-Hupp, was instrumental in changing Texas law, allowing responsible gun owners the right to defend themselves and others. IMHO - Gun control advocates live in a Utopian world, where stricter gun laws will automatically mean criminals will be unable to obtain guns. They are basically saying that the average U.S. citizen is not responsible and incapable of adequately using a firearm, in a situation requiring it. Some of these gun-control proponents, Senator Charles Schumer ( D-NY), Senator Diane Feinstein ( D-CA), and Carl Rowan (no political affiliation) - Washington Post Columnist who shot a teenager for trespassing, have gun permits; obvious cases of "don't do as I do, but do as I say!". Rosie O'Donnell ( D) is also a gun control advocate, and doesn't carry a gun; however, her three armed bodyguards do. It is horrible to contemplate, but we live in times where terrorist activities are a possibility. An important point to consider is that an armed citizenry is able to defend itself. "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." Plato
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Post by weebitty on Jul 26, 2009 19:51:05 GMT -5
patriotroom.com/article/outstanding-2d-amendment-defense-smackdown-of-cnn#comments. I know this thread has been idle for awhile but thought I would add this clip from cnn. I don't know how I feel about an AK47 however but I do believe in responsible gun ownership. Also just to add spice to this. Our Sherriff is in court fighting a local newspaper that wants to publish a list of all the gun owner that hold concealed weapons permits. Any opinions on that one??? I don't believe they have the right to that myself.
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Post by tara on Jul 27, 2009 21:16:06 GMT -5
No I don't think names should be published. I will say I don't see any reason what so ever that any average person needs an AK-47. I just don't understand the need. The guy in the video says methheads? I bet my shotgun would handle the methheads just fine. I can see no practical use for hunting, but I am I am someone who wont kill something I wont eat. I find killing things just for the fun of it sad, even so I can't see needing an AK-47 to take down anything around here, again my shotgun or rifle would be just fine. I guess on this one I will be happy I live in NY, I have never seen and doubt I ever will, guns being handed out with cars.
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Post by havingfunnow on Jul 31, 2009 9:33:24 GMT -5
I know people who have AK-47s, and they own them for the freedom of being able to own them. The fact that the weapons have more stopping power than a AR-15 is just a benefit, as is the fact that they are a great deterrent. These are the same people who tell me my 50 cal. is overkill... However, I think that publishing a list of registered gun owners is quite stupid. Why don't they just title the list "People without the means to defend themselves"? That way it would take a lot of the worry away from scumbags, who do burglaries and home invasions.
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